We did Go Ape in the morning and then we climbed Pavey Ark [Langdale Pikes] in the afternoon. This is aimed primarily at experienced mountaineer types suggesting routes that do include some scrambles of various grades. Well done to those parents in this forum. No Bob i share your sentiments, but how you police it would be a nightmare. However when I chose to go up the second time, there genuinely were terrifying slip and die moments, no two ways about it, and no option to go back down at these points. The red line indicates the Jack's Rake scrambling route on Pavey Ark. The initial call came via mobile phone, followed by several other 999 calls and a mayday call to Coastguard. Only Ray Mears tackles the subject well, but his programs cover mainly bushcraft, not walking. Now THAT is stupid and irresponsible but taking a 12 year old on a scramble or climb that is reasonably within their ability is not IMHO stupid or mad! I generally have a massive amount of respect for you and your work, I know that many of you come from a solid background and have experience of the various mountain ranges around the world that make the British hills look puny. Funeral Home Services for Jack are being provided by Caughman-Harman Funeral Home - Lexington Chapel. I have never had a problem with a child (14+) on the Rake. and is starting to lead Diffs. We were about half way up when the most experienced climber had difficulty in negotiating around a rock. 'grough Limited' is registered in England and Wales. In thick weather Jack's Rake is extremely hazardous and should not be attempted. Join Facebook to connect with Jacks Rake and others you may know. If any. [4] As with Lord's Rake on Scafell Crag , the word 'rake' refers to a path across major precipices, originally used by climbers for access to rock climbs, but which can also be used by walkers. Walking in jeans in Welsh montains, without a map etc just gives the totally wrong impression. I only wish that I had had a parent who had provided this calculated risk for me when I was younger. The Scramble. Cookies must be enabled for you to Log On successfully. My nemesis - Jack's Rake, on the cliff of Pavey Ark. Can I just address this "idiot" thing as it really bothers me. Walks    The question to me, is how do we educate people into hill safety and awareness. Also, for those of you who say, oh it's a classic grade 1 straight forward scramble, just think back to your first time on it and whether you were led up there or picked your own route, because that changes things a lot. It is more interesting than Striding Edge and certainly more committing. I've been up Jack's Rake twice now, the first time with two others who I was leading up there, and I felt pretty safe the whole time and loved it. This is nothing whatsoever to do with age per-se and all about experience and ability. The Rake Deaths. My 12 year old son is capable of doing most severes (except the ones that need a long reach!) Long story short, it depends on the person, their tolerance of exposure and fear plus the route taken. People need to understand what scrambling is, the grading is on the technical difficulties, a grade one scramble can still have huge exposure and a fall will be fatal e.g. Jack Rake Historical records and family trees related to Jack Rake. However a slip could still cause problems. A. Totally disagree with the comments about banning children from going up Jacks Rake. A. Jacks Rake }}- Trail magazine and the British Mountaineering Council present Britain's Mountain Challenges. They shouldn't have been there and I'm guessing the helicopter I saw a bit later on was to air lift either them or their bodies off!!! Towards the top the obvious exposure to the drop is greater. Crib Goch. A. . I must be honest and explain that I had two moments when I froze completely. As for taking children up - it depends on the children. They managed every part of the scramble without help and had a great day, however I would be unwilling to take children or adults without their ability and experience. } I had never been aware of Jack's Rake until around 2000 when Deke and Spud took Dave, Steve and me on a walk on the Langdale Fells during a Lakes walking weekend. In these conditions the route was a completely different animal to the one tackled on previous occasions. Fig rolls would taste horrid if you had to first eat through a wrapping of cotton wool. Photo Gallery    She was given first aid, but later died. I have never feared for my life so much before and, with three young children and wife, I realise how foolish and selfish I was to put myself in that situation. How many died on the mountains ("idiots" included)? A 12-year-old boy suffered serious injuries when he fell from a Lakeland scrambling route that recently claimed two lives within five days. There really needs to be some kind of warning with magazine articles, which all too often assume a certain level of experience. There are less adults I know that I would feel the same about. A. I am regular walker in the lake district and have nearly completed all the Wainrights [Wainwrights]. I can imagine it’s a tricky route if it’s wet and the final scramble requires some upper body strength and good grip from your shoes/boots. A simple wiki search will give you the definition. I find that sometimes magazine articles are written by extremely macho blokes who underestimate the difficulty for ordinary or younger walkers. More people will die driving to the hills than will die in the hills. Just out of interest, what kit were they using? He was about one third of the way up .I along with my group had just reached that side of the tarn and was about to have a sandwich and a cuppa when it all happened .good job i had my transceiver because there isnt a signal for mobiles just there. As for taking children on any grade 1 scramble... you must be mad! I shall definitely attempt it again. A. I have only been up once. It's an "easy rock climb" in an exposed place. So, what I'm hearing is that "children" mustn't go on scrambles but, presumably, as soon as they are 18 and legally an adult, it will be OK!!!??? I had researched the route thoroughly and have been 'walking' to the top of mountains for twenty years so felt that I had the skills to get to the top. By Chloe Melas, CNN. Your Stories    Note:Luigi's mansion (both games)Luigi is being used, because there he's a normal human, but still capable of dealing with the supernatural, so this should be fair for both the … In this video Trail magazine's Dan Aspel tackles Jack's Rake, ... Before downloading Jacks Rake Videos, Free MP3 Downloads. Having done the scramble only recently it makes me wonder just what he was doing at the time he fell and where he fell from. I have never been close to calling you and hope that I never am. A. I decided to climb Jack's Rake today. Unfortunately it was determined that she'd died of the injuries sustained in the fall. The guidebooks [that I have seen] are correct! “Pavey Ark is Langdale’s biggest cliff. Some articles the site thinks might be related: I was the person who called this incident in to liverpool coast guard and saw it happen .How can we stop people taking their children up this grade one scramble, its beyond belief. Hill Skills    8 inexperienced people all on a confined ledge has resulted in a near fatality and only hope his injuries arent life changing. Registered number 06881144. The boy fell from Jack’s Rake on Pavey Ark today, injuring his head and spine. All rights reserved. It crosses a massive cliff, for heaven's sake! Peaks and Mountains    Kids who can skip around 5a roped on the climbing wall may react differently when they are faced with serious exposure for the first time unroped - it's a completely different ball game mentally, and it is pure selfishness not to be properly prepared for them. You can set your browser to disable these at any time. JUST WATCHED 'This Is Us' reveals cause of Jack's death. Having said that the scramble is not at all difficult for experienced fell walkers. For help see Help. In technical terms Jack's Rake is easy to protect. The Groundskeeper II Rake, 21-inches Wide, 55-inch Fiberglass Handle 4.7 out of 5 stars 187 More Buying Choices $57.35 (3 new offers) Yes, the actual climbing wasn't the most challenging it was the fact that you were constantly facing the fear of falling and it's virtually impossible to climb down unless you have the right equipment. Quite simply one slip of the foot and you would have fallen to your death. I'm not 1,000th as good as either of them, but how did these MRT guys know this? That piqued their interest so we did striding and swirral (0.5 grade), since they didn't mind the heights and didn't mind the exposure it was Sharp Edge and Jacks Rake next. Ben Nevis would be just one big sign! So in terms of children going up, I'd say it depends which route you take - I'm annoyed with myself that maybe I missed the correct route and for whatever reason felt I needed to go out to faces that hung above sheer drops because they were the only way, and from reading other accounts I'm not the first to do this. My bet is that I have likely been through worse conditions than most from big winds on big climbs to total whiteouts on ridges and I can only think of two occasions where I felt anything close to being out of my depth. But they'd driven up from London and, statistically had a massively higher risk of dying on the drive there / home than anything that mountain threw at them that day. 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