Possibly works with kids. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. The voice in the clip was described as being 'not inconsistent' with that of Logan, the FBI investigation concluded. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ, Protected: Post to Discuss All of the Various POIs and Theories in the Delphi Murders from the Crime to the Present, Protected to Avoid Libel and Character Assassination Part 10, Alt Left: This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, Alt Left: Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, NATO Helped the Ukrainians Fire All Those Drones at Russia, Including all the Way to Moscow, The Conquest of Germany and Japan Never Ended, The Conquest and Destruction of Russia Project Goes Way Back to Post World War 2, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but whats the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? He has connections with current LE officers. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. I actually had written a letter to law enforcement that I failed to send, of which I was reading from. 5) He parked near the cemetery, but not at the cemetery. You can't obtain things through FOIA that would interfere with an ongoing investigation nor would they just be posted somewhere for this person to get. Garrett said he's solved homicide cases that way, because typically a perpetrator buys a gun legally near his or her home, he said. 12) Buried clothing of his stained with the girls blood on his property! Only a few seconds of the 43-seconds long recording have not been made public. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. Only thing I can come up with if we go with the rumors is that he draped them with the sheet that had the smiley face on it perhaps? That would have been quite a problem. *The cops refer to cases of scumbag on scumbag shootings as No humans involved or public service killings. Not say that innocent people are killed and hurt in these cases and in some cases the target themselves is completely innocent. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. It is unclear whether they were referring to Allen or not. Give it a rest, everyone. Its true by process of elimination. Do you think an LE source might be talking to one of them or perhaps someone who knows one of them? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Thomas Bruce, a former pastor, was charged with fatally shooting one woman and sexually assaulting two others at aCatholic Supply store in St. Louis, Missouri, in November 2018. Not sure if thats what this is about, but if so, Im not sold. Via LE Source A, LE has a main suspect in the Delphi Murders, Mr. X, and the case is focused on him. Apparently claimed that he saw Mr. X in another town around the time of the murders. One person wins and everyone else loses. I hav followed both cases very closely. The only thing I can think of is it was too gruesome, in their mind, to release," Garrett said. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? Please email if you do not want to reply here. I find your blog very interesting. A police chief in Martinez accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides. Though there was no press conference held on the third anniversary of the murders in February of 2020, investigators said that the case was not cold. This whole case just reeks of something stinky every which way you turn. Easy, they were lying! Im a retired homicide detective I know what Im talking about. Tell her I said HAVE A NICE DAY! Are we making up lies about getting information from police when we actually have no contacts with them? So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. and that he was likely familiar with the Monon High Bridge. Exactly how the girls died remains unknown to the public, and the state their bodies were discovered in also remains shrouded in mystery. DELPHI New chilling details have emerged involving the Delphi deaths investigation. Following the identification of a suspect in the Delphi murder, extensive discussion about the case and purportedly leaked texts from that terrible night erupted online. He will crack soon. Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. This GPS device showed that his phone had been at the CPS building from 12-5 on the day of the murders. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Highly functioning drunk; its the only way he can appear normal. We have 250 members in our group. This girl was refusing to get an abortion that he wanted her to get. There is so much junk, lies, theory, you name it, it is there. This was posted within a Facebook group and the poster stated that it was fine to share with other groups. All other POIs are dropped or cleared at least as being the killers themselves. What do they mean hes just a decoy? The trail in Delphi, Indiana, where Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017. I think this whole crime scene was severely compromised but still doable Deer kits have five knives, so we assume this one does too. It doesnt seem like a normal person would stay at that location for all that time. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Its buried under settlement and underbrush. This has helped me a lot. The first sections deal with somewhat extraneous material that you may or may not find interesting. For the first time, the warrant reveals that they were killed by some type of weapon but the word is redacted in the document. The two dates - 2/13/2017 & 2/13/2012 are the same in numerology (16): 2+1+3+2+0+1+7 = 16 and 7+1+3/+2+0+1+2 = 16. There is also the possibility that the act itself created the impression of posing when in fact it was not. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. But it's just speculation at this point, because nothing has been confirmed. LE blew off their concerns and called off the search, citing safety concerns for the searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves, just waiting for someone in LE to find them that night. Is that also speculation? Must be a lot of people with that name. I see on Reddit that they mention you in a negative way, but dont listen to those people! Okay, I think I have the name which I garnered from another website. Im not sure about their clothes, but they definitely crossed that creek all right. It is important to note that the validity of the text messages has not and cannot be corroborated at this time. Could be to cover their own asses. Interesting. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. And if not, where were they were found? You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. Not sure if its Tennessee, or Texas? Did he not see BG? How many times has he been cleared? Becky Patty: Obviously theyre not accusing her of the homicides! Yes, I know. If he is wearing Indiana Packers workboots, this solves one more question. This is getting ridiculous. Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. Garrett said he doesn't understand why it took police so many years to match an unspent round from the crime scene to a gun owned by a man who lives in Delphi. Despite a lack of evidence, investigators have not given up hope that they have caught the suspect. But know, this is deliberate. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. We obtained this document via a public records request. She still hasnt been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. Now he says he never saw BG at all. I guess Im not sure when he graduated. I am featuring a world renowned psychic detective through an interview Ill be conducting tomorrow. Hi Robert, can you tell me if FSG and/or his brother were part of the search parties on either day? What I should have asked is just what if anything has Ron Logan said about the photo and left out if the guy on the bridge (BG) was a friend of Ron Logans because obviously if he was a friend we would now know who BG is. Investigators believe the man is the killer. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime. Busy location with a diner nearby. The knife in the log was located near the girls right shoulder. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. Please do not share any sources that discuss the origin of the rumor and stick to the topic of the post. Theres only one parent. Im so sorry. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. Because statistically, the chance that it is a crazy serial killer would be smaller. LE has no clue what is going on. The bodies were found posed by the killer, who is believed to have been between five and ten feet tall and 180 to 200 pounds. Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, is allegedly the man behind a fake social media account that investigators. On February 13, 2017, Libby and Abby took a hiking trip at the abandoned Monon High Bridge, in an outing that was only meant to be for a few hours. DAs require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone. Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. Allen told investigators on Oct. 13, 2022, that he wore jeans and a blue or black Carhartt jacket that day, according to the probable cause affidavit. If this did happen, then they wouldn't have been able to tell if Abby was posed. On February 13, 2017, Liberty German, age 14, and Abigail Williams, age 13, were hiking on the Delphi Historic Trail near the Monon High Bridge just east of Delphi in Carroll County, Indiana.. Some connection with Libby via geocaching. I would like to email this , as it is not particularly relevant to the comments on this page. Kelsi has been cleared. These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. Last, I want to bring up RL and the dirty hand LE dealt him throughout all of this. You said in your blog that Mr. X was friends with Ron Logan. Because no debt or grudge or anything can ever justify 2 little girls being murdered. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. See? This is simply because Ive dared to question if its possible that he was involved in any capacity or if its possible that he made misleading statements. Only his hands, particularly focused on his bloody, sausage-like knuckles, could be seen with a caption that read after the brawl.. Ron Logan, who died in 2020, had long been put forward as a prime suspect. They werent that close. Welcome to the site! They're stills from the helicopter footage during the search. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. You just dont know what a person is capable of. Im actually a rather shy, introverted, cautious, and extremely polite person who is terrified of making people mad, getting called creepy, offending people, etc. They have also suggested that the crime scene was odd in nature. See video. In September of 2020, messages started flowing on the web that were purportedly between the one who discovered the young ladies' bodies and his companion. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. He parked 1,000 feet away from Rons door, almost a quarter mile away. Well, the police have told us that they have a main suspect in this case, so at least I am just going to go with the cops on this one. Garrett Kirts: Local man, all around run of the mill bad person. This claims are quite dubious and we dont suggest anyone put any weight into them. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. The girls' bloodied bodies were found about a half mile from the bridge. The main suspect is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims families to offer solace for their losses. See the sort of games these guys play? 43 seconds of audio. I like some of these guys. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls guardians. The investigators do believe that the suspect either lives or works in Delphi, Ind. Best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, lost a lot of blood during their murders with an unspecified weapon and were not killed in the same location where their bodies were discovered close to a trail where they had set off on a fun day out together just hours earlier. The problem is that there is a main suspect in the case, and it is known that he was near the crime scene from 6:30 PM on the 13th until 9:30 PM on the 14th. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. Sorry, Ive been a bit down lately. Thanks, Mike! A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. The gun is a rare collectors item, possibly a .40mm. Even after the arrest of a suspect on Oct. 26, police have declined to answer most questions about the case, saying they don't want to jeopardize the prosecution. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. He also noted that it appeared to him as if Libby German may have been personally attacked based on the extent of her injuries. At the very least he could have made misleading statements. Twice they were wrong. Top 3 Legends of All Time in Soccer America, Top 3 legends of All Time in Hollywood in America, Top 4 Major Cities in America of All Time. Instead they were penetrated with inanimate objects, which, last time I checked, do not cause pregnancy. But no, that was not the case. Im not familiar with Indiana; Ive never been there. Have for a long time. Ive used that a thousand times, especially when there are two or more suspects in adjacent interrogation rooms. Children: Two daughters, one ~22, another ~30. Also note that LE are now acting like they think the young catfish did the crime, not the older BG. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? They even try to cure effeminate gay men and let them back in the churches as long as they say theyre cured of homosexuality. I DO think that if there is evidence of staging that insinuates a methodology , therefore suggests it could be a serial killer. Indeed, he has been questioned and he is cooperating fully with the investigation. Why do kids play make-believe? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. They always came home. According to Business Insider senior reporter and co-founder of The Murder Sheet podcast, ine Cain, Libby had an interaction with Kline on Instagram but thought she was interacting with the person in a photo Kline posted as himself, in an attempt to catfish young girls into sending nude photos. I tend to suspect the latter of the two rather than the former. Photo: Courtesy Mike and Becky Patty. Kirts knew those backwoods just as good & probably better than Logan didI dunno man, the motive is dead on too (his beast of a girlfriend Garth getting locked up & losing custody of her son because of Libertys dad snitching for jail time easingI first thought this was a serial crimeNow, after looking at a lot more of the detail (& coming in to this in December 21, with most of the pertinent activity already have taken place), Id say chances of it being serial are probably less than 1%. Too many opinions and he cannot control them. I think he already knew that they would be there. I dont see a motive for Mr. X either, and he did live right there. Unfortunately, its not free. The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. She was emphatic about that. Allen was arrested on Friday in connection to the murders - the first big break in the case. There is also no indication as to who took the snap on the Monon High Bridge Trail. Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. Number 6, an extremely controversial statement, was told to JM and then to us by a sheriff in a nearby county. Old Abigail Abby Williams. Same with Evansdale probably too. Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. I found who mr. X is. Guilty until proven innocent! About eight days after the murders, this man shoots and kills his 16 year old live-in girlfriend while allegedly cleaning his firearm. It turns out that BGs shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots. There is 0% chance they have anything anyways. Investigators said in the probable cause affidavit that they believe Allen is the man seen on the video. I dont get that vibe at all with everything I know, but then again I know very little lol. Because of the number of people saying this rumor is true, it goes into the likely category. One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. Its not free though. Ive never heard about all these details this is crazy. In my experience, this points to chicanery. The full clip is reportedly 43 seconds long, but its contents are believed to be too disturbing to share in full. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. This what first aroused LE suspicions of Mr. X. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. Dime a dozen. As you can see, the numbers are the same. However, I do not believe it was sexually motivated, but believe theres potential for multiple motives. Instant person of interest. There was some sort of a large object, apparently of toy, at the crime scene that was too large for BG to have had it with him on the bridge. before that he was at dump and after that he went to fish store. Maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure! It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. The police have put a .40-caliber weapon into the case," Garrett said. Police investigating the mysterious Delphi, Indiana, murders are looking for the person who, they said, created fake Snapchat and Instagram profiles, posed as a wealthy male model and contacted underage girls. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. Hey I wanted to see what you think on Kirts now with the time thats passed, and lot more evidence published out there (mainly the Open Secrets YouTube channel interviews with Kirts & CM)..& Ed Bounds YouTube channel Crime PursuitBoth have incredible detail with Kirts himself seriously all but admitting to being the Delphi suspect. So the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victims phone is proven. He may well have had a deer blind on the Mears property. Some insist that this is merely a coincidence, but apparently LE do not think it is coincidental. Would love to join the private group. Why on Earth would the killer have a copy of an audio file from Libbys phone! It could explain why there was such a drastic image change of BG from first sketch to second one. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. Thats what we want to talk to him about when our investigators go out there again. But answer me this. The exact content of the messages can be viewed in the video below. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! Robert Lindsay is the leader of a sleuthing group that presently has ~230 paid members. Victim was an 8-12 year old female. And I happen to be trained as a Journalist. Im getting, at the home!. If you wish to join, please go here. Tony Kline is 65, 310 pounds! LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. In a blown-up pic of him, you can clearly see that it has the shape of handcuffs. Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. Kegan Kline, 27, of Peru, Indiana, was also named as a suspect in the murders. It is on the girls cellphones, but if you listen to it, you will just hear a bunch of unintelligible garble. So, the girls were found on RLs property. The release of the search warrant comes several months after Indiana State Police announced that they were investigating a fake online profile called anthony_shots in connection to the case. Thanks for all the info much appreciated. They talked to Ron and he allowed them to park on her land. Just another character who got caught with CP. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. With less than 3,000 residents, Delphi is a town where everyone knows one another, and the murders have greatly affected many locals. BG is obviously a middle-aged man around 50. He detailed other information about the crime scene, and the differences in the girls' apparent injuries.
They all go off and do their own work. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. It was posted to Facebook by Allen's wife Kathy, 50, in 2018 - just over a year after the girls disappeared in February 2017, although it's unclear when the photo was taken. There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. Xs truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. Xs truck was never searched by police. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. When interviewed by police in 2017, Allen said he was on the trail on the afternoon of the murders, according to the probable cause affidavit. Familiarity with crime location: Extreme. I hope he doesnt read here but I knew a Facebook group mod who was in contact with him and she felt he was either gay, an effeminate man, or a Beta, as she put it. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. The 2017 murder of Abby and Libby became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. Answers to questions about my credibility. How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? But I see the home is raised. The girls hand was wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she was stabbing herself.