Ryan Dunleavy. The Patriots won the toss and took the ball to start overtime. For once, it was the Raiders that got Hustled. Now to take a look at this play and the impact it had, let's take a time machine back to 2002. That is not a tucking motion That is already tucked. I'm not sure how it wouldn't be incomplete. The way the rule was written, you could probably pump fake, pull the ball back, hang out for ten minutes, have a beer in the pocket, and then fumble, and it's incomplete. Brady, who recently announced his retirement, is now a seven-time Super Bowl champion who . You can't see the line of scrimmage on the field. His arm was going forward, he saw the pressure and tried to pull it back and take the hit. Where is the arm at that point? raidernationbaby: It warms my heart to hear you say that. Here's the official ruling, from section 22, article 2 of the NFL's rulebook. In most cases where the Tuck Rule has been applied, the call would have been a fumble in those other associations. From 1999 to 2013, the National Football League used the tuck rule, which was a contentious rule in American football. "The Tuck Rule Game." The ruling: an incomplete pass. people dont realize after that turnover the very next play would be a 3 kneeldowns and the game over, # Plain and simple. (Of course raiders sold the most merchandise back then and where a very popular team ..the league was not about to put NE in the superbowl they would have lost $$$ at the time), As far as the tuck rule.. However, in the fourth quarter, Brady led the Patriots on a 10-play, 67-yard drive, completing nine consecutive passes for 61 yards and finishing it with a 6-yard touchdown run with 7:57 left that made the score 1310. A pass should only be ruled incomplete if the ball comes loose in the actual act of passing the ball. The end of Tom Brady's long career arrived Tuesday as the seven-time Super Bowl champion announced his retirement from the NFL after 22 years. In fact it is typically encountered about once a year by each team in the league. During ESPN's new 30 for 30 documentary called, "The Tuck Rule", the future Hall of Fame quarterback admitted that if he didn't lead the New. I said might. The rule works; people have a hard time with it because they want to think the 2001 game was ruined by it. The hit that time came from Tony Bryant rather than Charles Woodson. umm Big Ben is that you?? You must be logged in to leave a comment. This is a subreddit for the NFL community. Dont let the damn lawyers write the rules anymore. For one, do you know anything about football? That's one of the primary questions posed in ESPN's latest "30 for 30" documentary, simply titled: "The Tuck Rule.". January 19, 2022 1:59 pm ET. ", 2020 THE SUN, US, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED | TERMS OF USE | PRIVACY | YOUR AD CHOICES | SITEMAP, The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002, Brady in action during snowy conditions at what became known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. whats a td what isnt (calvin johnson, arian foster and someone else) January 16, 2019 10:09 pm PT. An incomplete pass stops the clock and prevents the loss of yards from a sack. Your explanations for years were at best inconsistent. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 11, 2011 12:11 PM. The tuck rule was in place for several years before that game, it was not invented on the spot as you seem to think. And even Marshall Faulk started to decline after that 2001 season. The Patriots went on to win the game and then win that year's Super Bowl against the then St. Louis Rams, starting the first of two Patriots dynasties and giving Brady his first of seven rings. No waitMost likely the Steelers would have thrashed the Patriots in the AFC Championship gameOh well. The Tom Brady rule states that a defender on the ground who has not been pushed into the quarterback cannot lunge at a quarterbacks knee or lower legs. @ Monkeesfan A. Bitch!. Thirdly and finally, all you raider hacks owe every new englander a thank you! [7] The owners abolished the rule with a 291 vote at the 2013 annual meeting in Phoenix on March 20, 2013. Accusing of spying on . Karma as they say, Is. Vinny Testaverde drops back to pass and arm comes forward and he loses the ball. I would support a rule change, although it took me a long time to get to this point, Pereira said. Nope. Yes maybe it was the correct rule or whatever, I'm not arguing that. Tucker makes the case that there is a war against Christians happening in America on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight:' TUCKER CARLSON: You always imagine in your mind's eye that it's evil men who destroy . Incomplete pass? It was a pump fake that he brought back to his body. "[2] Think it through a little bit more. Updated. In the aftermath of the Tuck Rule Game, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick told ESPN, "I knew what the ruling should have been because we had dealt with that play a little bit earlier in the year on the other side of it. Regardless, the most common throws by far are those short positive-yardage attempts.". PRIDE AND POISE RAIDER NATION The QB decides NOT to throw the ball, fumbles it, but its not a fumble. It makes no sense to allow a QB to act like he is going to throw the ball, not let it go, then try to pull it back & then drop it in a tucking motion but then get to keep it. 1 draft pick, Mike Pereira: Time to change the tuck rule, Report: Derek Carr wants $35 million per year, The Raiders are the betting favorites to land Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy: Kellen Moore wants to light the scoreboard up, I want to run the damn ball, ESPN reiterates report that Lamar Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed deal, Arrest warrant issued for Jalen Carter for reckless driving, racing, Aaron Rodgers says hell make a decision soon enough, Competition Committee begins to explore the quarterback push play, Players say Chiefs discourage them from reporting injuries, have NFLs worst training staff, Report: Jalen Carter was present at teammates fatal crash, misled police about it. Second, the Raiders had every opportunity to win that. In March 2013, the NFL committee proposed to league owners that they vote to eliminate the tuck rule. Secret Base and Split Zone Duo's Steven Godfrey (@38Godfrey) joined us to talk about the upcoming college football season, which means we . Not much would have changed for Belichicks legacy, either. Brady's answer: probably not. helmet to helmet hits/ ridicilous fines/bs suspensions! This rule is fine, its only the whining fans of teams that are unable to do their jobs well enough to win that want this rule changed. Watch the replay!He never threw the ball. That set the tone for two more Raiders Super Bowl victories in the following decade. But yeah I agree with you, nowadays at least it wouldn't be overturned with the whole evidence thing. But then, they wont have anything to whine about for the next ten years. This is referred to as the tuck rule because the ball leaving the quarterback's hands is considered a forward pass even if the quarterback intends not to pass the ball, but instead continues the forward motion to tuck the ball back into his body. I love how people give the raiders so much attention. While pumping the football, Brady was hit on his right side by a blitzing Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson (Brady's teammate at Michigan). Jan. 19, 2002 is a date that will always live in infamy for Raiders coach Jon Gruden. Agree the play alone didnt lose the game for the Raiders, but the emotional swing in the game after that call was reversed was obvious. I think that the play 10 years ago should have been a fumble. Please check the opt-in box to acknowledge that you would like to subscribe. They have their best season in years andthey fire their coach.. Ive been a Raider fan for over 20 years now and this is my first post. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. Defies every logic. "When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Though honestly, if the Patriots win it all this year, Ill be way over that as well. Brady rushed in for a touchdown to cut the lead to 13-10. Many feel it was a controversial play that allowed New England to move on, win their first Super Bowl and set the tone for all that have accomplished since. See my post before yours. That gave Brady the starting role over veteran Drew Bledsoe entering the 2002 season and the rest is history. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. It was a call that was made exactly in the context of the rule, an admittedly bad rule which the competition committee has never thought wise to change. Patriots should have had 1st and 10 with an extra 15 yards. Now if you could just pick up a first down on 3rd and 1, the Pats never get it back in the first place. And since he'll retire after calling half the Pro Bowl later this month, he'll never get the chance. Knowing what we now know about Belichick, is there any chance he was turning down a first-round pick from the Bills and the opportunity to shed the richest contract in NFL history? As a Patriots fan, I also support a rule change. You had your chance the next season, and the Bucs beat you by 50 touchdowns. Tweet text can contain up to 280 characters or Unicode glyphs in the majority of cases. The call was overturned upon review and ruled an incomplete pass, with the tuck rule cited. And as for this clown harrisonhits2 says: Jan 11, 2011 12:11 PM. Please explain Einstein how you can have an incomplete pass without first throwing the football? It was enforced to the letter of the law in 2001. In 1999, a new rule had been introduced, which eventually became known as the tuck rule: NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. It completely cheated the Raiders out of a title run. And in Oakland, does Jon Gruden stick around instead of getting traded to Tampa Bay and wining a Super Bowl there? remember its the same ref that was in for the ravens vs raiders championship a year before when that fat lose goose broke gannons arm so the raiders would lose What about Bill Belichick? Them I feel sorry for. Jan 11, 2011 3:17 PM The pain can still be felt. Most Patriots fans will even admit they were given a gift on that play. Brady had no intention of throwing the ball!!! [1] The Broncos eventually went on to win the game. To me its simple to fix, the tuck is not a pass to a reciever, and to some extent its not a fumble. Bullshit. How about this for a rule: you lose the ball it is a fumble. The NFL championship was the first in the club's history and began a period of dominance for the Patriots in the 2000s and 2010s that included eight additional Super Bowl appearances with five more titles, in Super Bowls XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, and LIII. Jerry Jones believes Cowboys can keep Zeke and Pollard, NFL combine measurements for DBs: Full list of results, Jerry Jones believes Prescott can progress like Brady, NFL combine 2023 results tracker: Top performances, NFL combine 2023: Winners and losers from DB workouts, Report: Pollard to get franchise tag if deal isn't done. His career would have taken the same path to greatness. It's a ridiculous idea. No team was beating the Rams that year without a game plan devised by Belichick. After review. After the officials reviewed the play, it was determined Brady was in a throwing motion and was attempting to "tuck" the ball towards his body, therefore making it an incomplete pass and resulting in the Patriots keeping the ball. Remember how you sucked in the Tampa Bay superbowl? worst call in history of sports. After he had begun a passing motion, Brady clearly ceased his throwing motion, pulled his right hand down below his shoulder and had touched the ball to his left hand when, coming off the strong side corner blitz, Charles Woodson knocked the ball out of Brady's hands. Coleman's announcement stated that the ball was moving forward at the time at which it was dropped. That has to be the dumbest rule in the book. Simple. Enjoyable result! In 2008, Brady suffered two torn ligaments during the Patriots season-opening game with the Kansas City Chiefs. So, either way, Grudens time in Oakland was likely over. That should have been a roughing the passer call with 15 yards and a first down instead of just a second down. Pereira opined on the tuck rule because it was applied on Sunday, when Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel went back to pass and dropped the ball when he was hit by Baltimore's Lardarius Webb. He hit Brady HARD on the helmet and face mask.. That is why his helmet was sideways and also WHY the fumble happened in the first place It should have been roughing the passerPlain and simle.. A source told Ian Rapoport on Wednesday that the elimination of the "Tuck Rule" passed overwhelmingly at the NFL Annual Meeting in Phoenix. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. According Paragraph 3036 of Marine Corps Order P1020.34G, which governs uniform regulations, wearing an olive-drab undershirt while in cammies is optional, though in the case of parades . The owners abolished the rule with a 291 vote, with Pittsburgh Steelers the only team to vote against. Sometimes you have to look past the ignorant terms and complex meanings inside a rule book and watch the damn play. periera is an idiotit was wrong then and just now he realizes it? The tuck rule had been on the books for years, . Pereira is right there with Walt Coleman in my book. The latest installment of ESPN's "30 for 30" series, "The Tuck Rule," examines the circumstances that led to the (in)famous incident in the waning stages of a game in the 2001-02 NFL playoffs.. Photos (and replay) clearly show Brady with both hands on the ball before its knocked out. Two games later, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVI. The Patsies had no timeouts and the Raiders would have simply downed the ball to end the game. Such a tough call. Players constantly diving after fumbles or incomplete passes. With the Patriots heading to the Black Hole to meet the Raiders on. raidernationabby the rule is correct. "More than 68 percent of the leagues passes are short throws that target receivers either behind the line of scrimmage or within 10 yards of it. has raised the minimum level of assets under management for new clients to $50 million. Winning the infamous "Tuck Rule Game" is what propelled the young New England Patriots quarterback to his first Super Bowl victory in 2001. I'm just curious as to how they reacted to review back then. In the . Is hard reset only way to salvage Jets QB dilemma? I love how people act like the Pats won against the Raiders only because of the tuck rule. If the Raiders pull out the Tuck Rule game, they are probably losing one of their next two games, and doing so in embarrassing fashion. Mike Pereira: Time to create an unneccesary headline and go against everything I have ever said when working in the NFL so Fox can pimp me some more. Now focus on getting rid of your insane owner. A backward pass = fumble. The game, known as both the Snow Bowl (for that copious and unceasing precipitation) and the Tuck Rule Game (for the enduringly controversial call that ultimately swung the contest toward the. Any idea which it actually was? The final was Gruden's last game of his first stint as head coach of the Raiders; he was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers before the following season. It prohibits runners and defenders from lowering their heads and striking a forcible blow with. Losing on a fluke (and possibly bad) call is much more. If they had called roughing the passer when Woodson gave Brady a forearm shiver to the side of the head like they should have the Raiders fans would have had to find something else to complain about for the last 9 years. To me it was pretty clearly an incomplete pass, tuck rule or no and Im not even a Chiefs fan. The 106 Oakland Raiders were the #3 seed and had beaten the Jets in an AFC wild card game, 3824. The Jets tied the game with a field goal on that drive before going on to win 10-3. I am sure the rest of the world is a better place after seeing your post above. And, no, he would not have lost his job after coughing the ball up. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. In March 2013, the NFL competition committee proposed that league owners eliminate the tuck rule. And as I said in my earlier post, the Pats lost a game earlier that year against the Jets I believe it was because of the tuck rule being called in their favor. Really? No more "was his arm going forward?" Tuck Rule AKA F@cked Rule because someone always gets F@cked as a result of this rule!! You obviously have watched enough sports to know that there is a such thing called a momentum swing right? Then drop it. Thats what happened. 2004-2023 CBS Interactive. 6-keys: media/spln/nfl/reg/free/stories, By pressing sign up, I confirm that I have read and agree to the. [8], This was not the first time the Patriots had seen the tuck rule invoked in the 2001 NFL season. Tom Brady should have to throw left handed if he hasnt thrown an INT in three games. A few plays later, Raiders defensive back Johnnie Harris intercepted a pass from Brady on the Patriots 41-yard line, but New England's defense managed to force a punt, which would be the final result of every following drive from either team until the end of the half. An intentional forward movement of an offensive players arm is considered the start of a forward pass, according to a former NFL rule that was implemented in 1999. But on replay, Carey said it was an incomplete pass because of the tuck rule. THE 'tuck rule' in the NFL is regarded as one of the most controversial in sports history. For that matter, neither do most sports writers. However, you should always double-check the ingredients on the package to see if the product contains eggs. Now days it would be a hands to the face (hitting the quarterback in the head) penalty (15 yds) which is a little better than the incompletion I think. Repeat three to five times. In the end JUSTICE prevailed.